In this episode Brandon Madsen and Aaron Firouz join host Kevin Gustafson to discuss the DSA and the Dirty Break Strategy. The strategy, as the name suggests, that rather than making a clean break from the Democratic Party, DSA should begin to move towards becoming a party itself, or at least more party-like and begin running it’s own candidates were possible, but remain open to running as Democrats where advantageous. In the recent edition of Reform and Revolution Magazine, from the caucus of DSA that shares its name, perspectives on the Dirty Break are presented and discussed. And we do that here.